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Rico · Post by **Rico** » Sep 30 2003 07:39 am

the scene world wide, is it fading away? I`ve noticed less places to go, less people going out, and lots of djs spinning at bars instead of clubs. I also noticed less drugs and a closer unity of the peolpe that remain behind for the music. I`m 31, is everyone as old as me? I dont hear many under 18 olds talking about "us" in a postive light. Most listen to whats popular, much like us when we started. I feel the next few years we will fade away. As we get older and attain more responsiblity, we choose to act more like our parents. no more partying and drinking everyday. Paying bills, fixing credit and starting a families. Some of us do this now. Can you say you still party like you use to? Looking back at the hippy scene, the disco, metal band, grunge; I think we have about 4 more years till the end. The loft made me feel like there may be a come back, but its the over 25 year olds that sometimes have more money; thru saving and better jobs due to college degrees; that have the ability to support the music. The Loft had some young "kids", but it was more of a whos who of the last 8 years for me.

I look at my tables and my records, I post on e-nation, and at plurplanet (noobie). I go out when I can. I think I`m doing my part. Is it enough?

Preppy Raver · Post by **Preppy Raver** » Sep 30 2003 09:22 am

i dont think that to be in the scene means that you have to be on enation or any forum for that matter, nor does one have to go out everyday (unless they choose to do so). i have known many people over the years that have "fallen out of the scene" only for them to show up at major events every now and then, which doesnt really mean they have fallen out, if you ask me, just taking a little break.

The "scene" to me is not anything physical, it is purely a state of mind, an inner feeling of community and support. one does not need to have tables or records to support, myself i dont own either. however i do feel that i contribute to the scene, support as much as possible (which has been a considerable amount lately) whether it means going to the bars to hear my favorite dj's, personally the bar scene can be rather chill and relaxing.

my question to you is, when is it not exceptable to be in the scene (age wise) will we every grow tired of electronic music? did the hippies of 68' every get tired?

peace love unity respect (in all sincerity)

katie

Lori · Post by **Lori** » Sep 30 2003 01:00 pm

Up here, the scene is still as enthusiastic as ever...but a smaller circle. Down there, the circle is wider, but somewhat jaded. I am 32, and I have to say yes, it is deflating whether we like it or not. Seeing our favorite DJs play at a bar rather than a big club can really take the wind out of your sails. I for one plan to enjoy it as long as it's here.

dirrrteeee · Post by **dirrrteeee** » Oct 3 2003 12:01 pm

as i stated in this thread

o0okrakhedo0o wrote:ok here is the issue at its roots... and i refer to "us" as to not point fingers

1.some of us have become old and jaded
2.some of us have an elitist attitude
3.some of us have friends that spin all over town at every club simultaneously and are not exclusively house music listeners
4.some of us don't have the money to go to each venue their friends spin at and have to pick and choose the cheapest venue to attend
5.some of us do not have a car at the moment
6.some of us dont want to be stagnant and only go to the same club all the time
7.some of us have so many friends that spin all over and rather than make anyone angry we just go to the movies or to a bar
8.some of us just have a party and hope that some of our friends can make it out because we are all broke and at least 4 people will spin even if we don't want them to bring tables

there are some reasons anyone care to add anything?

*edited to say that suddenly i don't feel so old!!!!

Spyke · Post by **Spyke** » Oct 5 2003 09:49 pm

I gotta say that I'm 20 and I feel like a youngin wherever I go now. I go to the club, house parties, the radio station, even little smoke/spin sessions and I'm younger than everyone by at least 5 years. Its kinda weird, but it's still cool. There aren't near as many kids coming up from the next generation that are interested(and I mean REALLY into) music. Everyone that grew up in the 90's is so hooked on MTV and such that real music means nothing to them anymore. I've actually had an argument with an 18 year old about whether 50 Cent or Tool has more musicality. WTF!?!?!? The problem goes so far beyond frat boys not liking Deisleboy. Frat boys never liked Deisleboy. The problem is that the world as a whole doesn't think of things in the sense of "PLUR" anymore, and anyone who does is laughed at for being a little raver kid. PLUR does not equal candy raver. PLUR=PEACE/LOVE/UNITY/RESPECT no matter what type of scene or type of music.

And we are elitist bastards. It is really hard not to be when you are deep in the scene such as all of us. Think real about it: We are the DJs/Producers/Promoters. We are the ones that refuse to settle for 9-5 jobs as a way of life. We are the ones that are headed home at daylight instead of heading to work. I don't really think that attitude will ever go away, as much as we say it will, cus as long as the MTV world hears the word "DJ" associated with our names they think we are the next Scribble

Its the "elitist bastards" we are who know otherwise.

I'm really not sure where this post was headed. I got off track quiute a bit I think, but it's all good. I really don't think there is only 4 years left in the "scene" But to ensure this, we can't stop appreciating the music. We can't forget that it really doesn't matter for fuck which DJs you go see at which club, what matters is that you are there for the music.

Listening to some of the pop culture world recently has given me some hope. Bands like Radiohead and Coldplay are getting airtime and awards on MTV, instead of Cash Money and NSync. I know it's not exactly the rebirth of the raver era, but its a step toward the apprectiation of actual MUSIC instead of the money behind it, which is in itself a step towards our common goals.

As a homework assignment, I want everyone who reads this to go on Kazaa or WinMX or whatever sharing program youall deny yyou still use, and download a type of music you have nbever heard before. Flaming Lips new cd: "Ziareeka" is absolute musical brilliance. Listen to some Miles Davis - Kind of Blue. Maybe some Opera. Soemthing that is only about the music. Listen to the entire thing and take it in.

Msuic is life.

allmightyone420 · Post by **allmightyone420** » Oct 5 2003 10:46 pm

I don't know if the "scene" really is disapearing. I think it, like most things, is just simply maturing in a lot of respects. You are right in saying that many of us have moved on from having week long parties filled with drugs and glowsticks. We now have to take this music we discovered in the clubs back in the 90's and convince that did not "see the light" to listen. Some artist (Oakey, BT, X-ecutioners) have had great success by working with popular artist. Others have been able to exploit their work onto commercials, television, and movies. As they have begin to have families and enjoy adult life, so have we. There is though a lot of the fire and drive left. I see it in the dj's that still come out week after week to play venues without pay but for the joy. I see the friends that though they can not afford every event, will still show support whenever possible for someone playing music. I see it in the young kids (fewer than when we was their age, I agree) who follow in our footsteps of discovery. The house scene isn't dead yet!