Creationism vs. Darwin

Larz · Post by **Larz** » Apr 4 2005 02:40 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4398345.stm

Some of my personal favorites:

"People believe in evolution because they choose to do so," he says. "There is not a shred of real evidence for the evolution of life on earth."

"Evolution is not compatible with Christianity," he insists. "Genesis tells us that death only came into the world because of Adam's sin. There was no death before then, and you can't have evolution without death."

"Where do Boris and his fellow dinosaurs fit into this worldview?

Many were killed off in Noah's flood and became fossils. Others hung around to scare our ancestors who called them dragons. Bill Cooper, a council member of CSM, argues the 8th Century poem Beowulf records a genuine encounter with a Tyrannosaurus Rex.

Get this, OK, Dinosaurs fossils - how does that fit into you scheme of life? Let me sit down and strap in....., "Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith.".... Dude. You believe that?.... "uh huh." Does that trouble anyone here? The idea that God.. might be.. fuckin' with our heads? I have trouble sleeping with that knowledge. Some prankster God running around: "Hu hu ho. We will see who believes in me now, ha ha." [mimes God burying fossils] "I am God, I am a prankster." "I am killing Me." "You know, if the world's 12 thousand years old and dinosaurs existed, they existed in that time, you'd think it would have been mentioned in the fucking Bible at some point. "And lo Jesus and the disciples walked to Nazareth. But the trail was blocked by a giant brontosaurus... with a splinter in his paw. And O the disciples did run a shriekin': 'What a big fucking lizard, Lord!' But Jesus was unafraid and he took the splinter from the brontosaurus's paw and the big lizard became his friend. And Jesus sent him to Scotland where he lived in a loch for oh so many years inviting thousands of American tourists to bring their families and their fat dollar bills.And oh Scotland did praise the Lord. Thank you Lord, thank you Lord. Thank you Lord."

"If the parents didnt kill Jon Benet Ramsey, who did?" "ummmm God... you know to uh make us test our faith."

Kid tells mom,

"I didnt finish raking the yard... because God wanted to test your faith!"

Before i go any further, please admit you understand that creation (origin of species) is an entirely different topic than evolution (changes in species over time). Watching people debate why the apple exists, but not the orange, is strange

It's nearly comical to hear Creationists try to debunk Darwin theory and to hear evolutionists write off a literal Genesis creation story as if there is no possible middle ground grey area (which I call reality) that exists from Start ------ to ------- Finish.

It is possible, and I believe...

God created the goo, the goo evolved.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Apr 5 2005 08:21 am

I took an entire class devoted to creationism v. darwinism. It was very interesting. I'm still not sure what to believe though.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » Apr 5 2005 07:20 pm

thats the whole point of the class, to make you think..........should i belive my head (and if your a man, you have the added joy of the smaller head telling the big one what to do)..............OR................do i trust your heart (which has been kicked around by the fine decission made by the smaller head)
MAYBE just MAYBE there is some middle ground
a superior being created life
and life evolved to what we have today
(we are the all knowing crap of the world - Fight Club)
both are correct with their analogy
and if your like me, you belive in both
Man....i am sooo getting into heaven (i'm on the guest list-ya-know)
the club.....St. Peters
the dj.....godallahbudda
drink specials.......Please
and i get to party with my mom and dad again
SCWEET!!!

Dj Cliff Davis · Post by **Dj Cliff Davis** » Apr 5 2005 09:08 pm

God gave people a choice of what to believe, but still there is only one truth.

HIM!

Larz · Post by **Larz** » Apr 6 2005 01:39 am

you so sure it's a him?
i belive god, allah, budda, the great spirit in the sky.....deity of choice has no gender. but hey i'm no theologain profressor. the whole point i was trying to convey was that neither side (creationist and darwinism) will admit the other is just as plausable as the other. just comes down to faith and beliefs.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Apr 6 2005 08:23 am

I'm probably on the VIP list straight to hell.

I'm not sure what I believe. I was brought up Mormon, and I think that is why I am not religious now. I have horrible memories of Temple. And even if I wanted to go to Temple now, they wouldn't let me stay because of all my tattooes and outspokeness.

On one hand, if there is a greater being, why is there so much pain in this world. Are we being punished? What are we being punished for?

On the other hand, it would be nice to say that I believed in something greater and put my life in his/her/its hands. That is always someone looking out for me.

I think I may be ripe for some type of conversion.

Dangermouse004 · Post by **Dangermouse004** » Apr 6 2005 09:43 am

BrokeA$$Niki wrote:I'm probably on the VIP list straight to hell.

I'm not sure what I believe. I was brought up Mormon, and I think that is why I am not religious now. I have horrible memories of Temple. And even if I wanted to go to Temple now, they wouldn't let me stay because of all my tattooes and outspokeness.

On one hand, if there is a greater being, why is there so much pain in this world. Are we being punished? What are we being punished for?

On the other hand, it would be nice to say that I believed in something greater and put my life in his/her/its hands. That is always someone looking out for me.

I think I may be ripe for some type of conversion.

According to South Park Mormonism is correct.... Trey Parker was/is Mormon.... I was also brought up Mormon.... Got asked lotsa fun questions.... "What's with the holy underwear??" "I hear ya'll worship a lizard." and the always fun "How many moms do you have?" The unfortunate thing about church is that most people get some refreshment and satisfaction not being "that family" in attendance.... You know, the family with the rebelious teenager(s) and the parents who openly talk about their marrital issues....

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Apr 6 2005 10:20 am

Glad to meet a fellow childhood Mormon. I used to get a lot of weird questions too. The one big problem I had with my very devout Mormon grandparents is that the adamantly believed that the only person you should tell your problems to were the elders. There was no counseling. It was kinda weird not being able to tell other people your problems.

Do you still attend Temple?

Dangermouse004 · Post by **Dangermouse004** » Apr 6 2005 10:30 am

I toured the Orlando temple when it opened.... It's very nice.... I stopped goin to church when I got a vehicle/moved out.... Wasn't able to attend a couple weddings due to my hedonism unfortunately.... I do have several friends who I went to church with but none are active these days.... My parents used to have the missionaries over for dinner.... Always a good time.... My dad, the skeptic and myself would give em a hard time.... I always pictured Utah as the most bland/unoriginal place on Earth after meeting so many missionaries from there.... There's sheltered, then there's Utah-sheltered....

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Apr 6 2005 10:37 am

Utah is a great place to live if you are into fast cars and bikes. The salt flats are a great playground.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » Apr 6 2005 06:26 pm

you two are mormons............go figure
never met either one of you but i have read both of your post on enation. never would have guessed that of you two. that south park episode of the mormons was too funny, because it's all true. you crazy mormons. and niki just belive in your self, thats what the big invisable holy dude in the sky would want .........and treat people the way you would want to be treated..............and you could treat yourself to cocktail, and seeing that your treating...........make mine a crown and coke.
God...........that dude works in mysterious ways.
amen

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Apr 7 2005 08:16 am

I'll buy you a drink if I ever see you out. I'll be the one wearing the holy underwear.

dirrrteeee · Post by **dirrrteeee** » Apr 7 2005 08:13 pm

this one incredibly intellegent girl that lived in my house for 3 weeks had a wonderful opinion on evolution. we were watching the first xmen movie at a friend's house when she blurts out "you know i don't think i believe in evolution because i've never seen anything as big as a dinosaur" this comment was followed by uproarious laughter from myself and the other 7 people in the room. she was straight edge, blonde, and go figure mormon

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Apr 8 2005 08:32 am

I don't think I believe in the big bang theory because no one has access to that much dynamite.

Dangermouse004 · Post by **Dangermouse004** » Apr 8 2005 08:57 am

dirrrteeee wrote:this one incredibly intellegent girl that lived in my house for 3 weeks had a wonderful opinion on evolution. we were watching the first xmen movie at a friend's house when she blurts out "you know i don't think i believe in evolution because i've never seen anything as big as a dinosaur" this comment was followed by uproarious laughter from myself and the other 7 people in the room. she was straight edge, blonde, and go figure mormon

Which part do think attributed most to this awesome conclusion: her being straight-edge, blonde or mormon??